COLD podcast host talks about quadruple Idaho murders

Jan 12, 2023, 6:00 PM | Updated: 6:15 pm
MOSCOW, IDAHO - JANUARY 05: Bryan Kohberger, left, sits with his attorney, public defender Anne Tay...
MOSCOW, IDAHO - JANUARY 05: Bryan Kohberger, left, sits with his attorney, public defender Anne Taylor, right, during a hearing in Latah County District Court on January 5, 2023, in Moscow, Idaho. Kohberger has been arrested for the murders of four University of Idaho students in November 2022. (Photo by Ted S. Warren - Pool/Getty Images)
(Photo by Ted S. Warren - Pool/Getty Images)

SALT LAKE CITY — Bryan Kohberger, the suspect in the murders of four University of Idaho students, was ordered by a judge Thursday to remain in state custody with no bond available.  

Kohberger, 28, is charged with four counts of murder and a count of burglary in the killings of four University of Idaho students on Nov. 13.

Kohberger was arrested Dec. 30 at his parents’ home in Albrightsville, Penn. and charged with four first-degree murder charges in the deaths of Ethan Chapin, 20; Kaylee Goncalves, 21; Xana Kernodle, 20; and Madison Mogen, 21.

Kohberger has been held without bail in the Latah County Jail in Idaho since his arrest, according to CNN.


Dave Cawley, KSL Investigative Reporter and host of the COLD podcast, joins Dave Noriega and Debbie Dujanovic to talk about the homicide case.

Debbie started the conversation by mentioning this:

Idaho murders: Bryan Kohberger applied for internship at Pullman Police Department in fall 2022

“I don’t know if he actually got the internship, but he had applied for one,” she said.

“It’s so creepy,” Dave replied, “as you dive into his background and learn about this fascination in criminology . . .He was in a doctorate program–”

“– Basically right across state lines in Pullman, Washington, which is about 15 minutes from Moscow, Idaho,” Debbie said.

Kohberger was a Ph.D. student studying criminology at Washington State University, about 10 miles from the scene of the quadruple homicide in Moscow.

While at DeSales University, Kohberger studied under an expert on serial killers, Dr. Katherine Ramsland, who co-wrote a book with the BTK Killer, Dennis Rader, according to FOX 29 Philadelphia.

New information on Idaho murders

“Dave, what new information are you gleaning either from the probable cause statement or other information that you’re looking at?” Debbie asked.

“Well, a few things — looking what happened today in court. There is preliminary hearing now scheduled for the end of June [26],” Cawley said. 

He said the likely reason the hearing is scheduled for June is because the defense attorney(s) have filed a discovery motion to have all evidence the state possess in its case against Kohberger.

“Presumably, that’s a lot of information that the defense needs to go through: every witness interview, all of the digital forensics, all the tracking that led police to this arrest in this case,” Cawley said. “The defense now has to parse through that.”

DNA link to Idaho murders

A tan knife sheath found near the side of a victim on a bed inside the Moscow home has been linked to Kohberger, Moscow Police Cpl. Brett Payne wrote in an affidavit released Jan. 5 as reported by FOX News.

“This is going to be a lot for the defense to overcome,” Debbie pointed out.

“It’s going to be a real tricky case to see it move through the criminal justice process,” Cawley said.

‘Mocking me’

Photo | Fran Jacquier

In a series of posts on a forum called Tapatalk in 2011, the user Exarr.thosewithvisualsnow wrote about having a condition called visual snow. The photo associated with the username resembles Kohberger, according to Insider.

In a July 2011 post, Exarr.thosewithvisualsnow wrote: “It is as if the ringing in my ears and the fuzz in my vision is simply all of the demons in my head mocking me.”

Most people experiencing it continuously see tiny, snowlike flecks in their vision. As if the world in front of them is a badly tuned, old TV set. The dots are usually black and white, though they can also sometimes be transparent.

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COLD podcast host talks about quadruple Idaho murders