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Full transcript of Lori Daybell secret phone call recording

Melanie Gibb examines a disc containing a recording of a phone call between herself and Chad and Lori Daybell during a preliminary hearing in Fremont County, Idaho on Aug. 3, 2020.

REXBURG, Idaho — Fremont County (Idaho) prosecutors introduced a recording of a telephone call into evidence here this afternoon during a preliminary hearing for Chad Daybell, making public for the first time a conversation at the heart of a criminal case spanning several states.

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The call was between Chad Daybell and his new wife Lori Daybell, who were at the time on the island of Kauai, and their friend Melanie Gibb. 

During court testimony, Gibb stated Chad and Lori Daybell had asked her to lie to Rexburg police in November 2019, as detectives were investigating the whereabouts of Lori’s son, JJ Vallow. He had not been seen for two months by that point. Police later recovered his remains, along with those of his older sister Tylee Ryan, while serving a search warrant on Chad Daybell’s property on the outskirts of Rexburg.

The Daybells currently face charges of conspiracy to commit destruction, alteration or concealment of evidence in connection with the deaths of Lori’s children.

Gibb said Chad and Lori Daybell had asked her to tell police that she had Vallow, which was not true. Gibb testified the request left her “very perplexed” and “very troubled.” She decided to call her friends on Dec. 8, 2019 and inquire as to why they had asked her to lie.

Gibb secretly recorded the call and later provided the recording to police in Gilbert, Ariz., where she was living.

 

A full transcript of the call follows.

Chad Daybell
“Hello, sweet Melanie.”

Melanie Gibb
“Hi, Chad. Hey, Lori.”

Chad Daybell
“Here, let me put it on speaker.”

Melanie Gibb
“Oh, OK.”

Chad Daybell
“All right.”

Lori Daybell
“We’re inept with the phone.”

Melanie Gibb
“How are you guys?”

Lori Daybell
“We’re okay, how are you doing babe?”

Melanie Gibb
“I’m doing pretty good, thanks. I was wondering, where are you guys?”

Chad Daybell
“We’re just hanging out.”

Melanie Gibb
“Hanging out? Are you? Are you in Idaho?”

Lori Daybell
“No.”

Chad Daybell
“We’re nowhere near Idaho. ”

Melanie Gibb
“I just wanted to ask you a question if you don’t mind, Lori.”

Lori Daybell
“Of course, honey.”

Melanie Gibb
“I wanted to know, remember we talked about JJ going to Kay’s [Woodcock, JJ’s grandmother and Lori’s sister-in-law from prior husband Charles Vallow] house? And he told me they went there. And now he’s not there. I was wondering what happened?”

Lori Daybell
“Well, I had to move in somewhere else because of her actions. So…”

Melanie Gibb
“Was she, was she doing something? Like was she trying to come get them or something or, like trying to kidnap them?”

Lori Daybell
“Well, she’s, yeah, she said that often times before, but, umm…”

Melanie Gibb
“Okay. Well, you know, when I asked Chad the other day, I was like, Hey, you know, where is JJ? And he said for my security, he didn’t want me to know. So is there a reason I should be in danger to know where he is?”

Lori Daybell
“No, it’s nobody. It’s his danger. It’s the danger that there’s people after me.”

Melanie Gibb
“Okay.”

Chad Daybell
“We just thought if you knew, that puts you in a danger.”

Lori Daybell
“Well, just in a bad position.”

Chad Daybell
“Yeah, a bad position for her.”

Lori Daybell
“Everybody. If they don’t know anything, then they don’t have to say they know.”

Melanie Gibb
“Right? So you’re just worried, okay.”

Lori Daybell
“I’m just, keep him protected…”

Chad Daybell
“And keep you protected.”

Lori Daybell
“And keep everybody else.”

Melanie Gibb
“I appreciate that. Well, I was wondering why you told the police why he was with me.”

Lori Daybell
“I just needed to use, talk somebody, so I wouldn’t have to tell them where he really was if they were going to tell Kay where he is.”

Melanie Gibb
“Oh yeah, so is it you think it’s like your family? Or you know, like your family, your dad or you know or those people?”

Lori Daybell
“Well my family, well not my whole family but as you know, most of my family is working against me and–”

Melanie Gibb
“Yeah.”

Lori Daybell
“–with her, basically.”

Melanie Gibb
“Yeah. Is JJ safe?”

Lori Daybell
“He is safe and happy.”

Melanie Gibb
“Okay, well, that’s good to hear. Are you afraid of anything? Like, are you afraid to tell me that you’re just afraid that he, umm, that I could be in danger? Like you’re, y’know like I don’t, like if I knew, like, how could that hurt me? I don’t understand all that can hurt me if I knew where he was.”

Lori Daybell
“Well, I’m just not telling anybody so that nobody has to say where he is or question to where he is so I can keep him as safe as possible.”

Melanie Gibb
“Yeah. Okay, I hope, wow. I hope he’s okay. I hope you guys are okay. I did have a question. I asked Al at one point, your brother if I wanted to know, you know, like where he was? And he said, I did not want to know and that he could not be found. So what does that mean?”

Lori Daybell
“I don’t know why he would say that. But it’s the same story. I didn’t even want Al to know I don’t want anybody to know so that nobody has to be worried about it. I mean, nobody has to be–”

Melanie Gibb
“Yeah.”

Lori Daybell
“–questioned about it so he can be safe.”

Melanie Gibb
“Yeah, so are you I mean, are you — How long are you gonna be away for? Like how, I mean, are you ever going to be able to come out and come back to society again? Are you going to keep, you know, like, come back? I mean, like, what does that look like?”

Lori Daybell
“I will do whatever the Lord needs me to do every day so…”

Melanie Gibb
“Okay. I just wondered if I was ever going to see you again.”

Lori Daybell
“Absolutely, you will.”

Melanie Gibb
“Okay, so, so maybe when they’re done chasing you, you’ll be able to come out of, JJ will come out again? Or…”

Lori Daybell
“Yeah, I mean, it’s a ridiculous thing for them to be working with Kay to find me there’s nothing that’s gone on that’s, y’know what I’m saying? Like, they’re working with her in some dark capacity. The police are working with her in some dark capacity. There’s no reason for them to be after me in the first place.”

Melanie Gibb
“Yeah. Has she, has she threatened you at all?”

Lori Daybell
“Yes, lots of times.”

Melanie Gibb
“Oh boy. What did she say?”

Lori Daybell
“Well, it’s in emails and everything. So…”

Melanie Gibb
“So, like she said she was gonna come take them or she was…”

Lori Daybell
“There’s a lot of things…”

Melanie Gibb
“Yeah.”

Lori Daybell
“…Melanie.”

Melanie Gibb
“Well I know it sounds like it. I’m just worried for you guys because you know, he’s missing. And, you know…”

Lori Daybell
“I know exactly where he is. He’s perfectly fine with me.”

Melanie Gibb
“Okay, well, I hope so.”

Lori Daybell
“(Unintelligible)”

Melanie Gibb
“I have a scripture I wanted to share with you if you don’t mind.”

Lori Daybell
“I’d love it.”

Melanie Gibb
“I was thinking about some of the things you guys have gone through. And I saw this scripture today. And I wanted to–”

Lori Daybell
“Let me ask you a question.”

Melanie Gibb
“Okay, yeah.”

Lori Daybell
“Let me ask you a question about a scripture, ‘kay? Did Alma turn yourself into King Noah? Or what it was he required to be?”

Melanie Gibb
“Well, King Noah was incredibly wicked.”

Lori Daybell
“Yes.”

Melanie Gibb
“And so he he fled his, his evil ways which is, which is adultery and, and living riotously and breaking all the commandments.”

Lori Daybell
“Right. So what did he, what was he required to do, Alma?”

Melanie Gibb
“He had to go and flee so that he would be safe and then help other people realize how, you know, jacked up the system was and the government was.”

Lori Daybell
“What about Moroni? What was he required to do at the end?”

Melanie Gibb
“To, to carry Alma’s plates and bury them. That was his responsibility,”

Lori Daybell
“What did he do that? What did he have to do to do that? Did he hide?”

Melanie Gibb
“Well, he had to hide. He had to hide because they were so–”

Lori Daybell
“Oh.”

Melanie Gibb
“They were so, everybody was killing everybody in this society everybody was dying. They were killing all the Nephites.”

Lori Daybell
“That’s, that’s, and the scriptures had to hide in the cavity of a rock by day and go out by night.”

Melanie Gibb
“The prophets, the prophets, the prophets did.”

Lori Daybell
“They did.”

Melanie Gibb
“Yep. Okay, well thank you for sharing that with me. Okay, I just, this scripture’s just something that may be thoughtful for you. ‘For behold–‘ This is Doctrine and Covenants Section 3, Verse 7 and 8. Says, ‘For behold you should not have feared man more than God. Although man set not the council’s of God to despise his words, yet you should have been faithful and he would have extended his arm and supported you against all the fiery darts of the adversary. He would have been with you in every trouble.’ So, when we work with the Lord and are obedient, he has, he’s gonna protect us from adversarial darts and all kinds of negativity, but when we open the door to Satan, he comes in and then he attacks and then he takes away to make it look like somebody else took it away. But that’s not how God works. He doesn’t work in darkness.”

Lori Daybell
“I agree with you one-hundred percent. And that’s what the Lord is doing for me. Exactly what he’s doing for me.”

Melanie Gibb
“Well, I was just–”

Lori Daybell
“We have not opened the door to darkness, Mel. Darkness is knocking on the door all the time, because that’s the way dark works with the light. And I promise you that I have done nothing wrong in this case. But sometimes you have to hide in a cavity of a rock for your own life safety. And that’s what the Lord requires of you sometimes. And that’s how it is. And I’m sorry that’s how it is because there’s a lot of darkness on the earth.”

Melanie Gibb
“I know.”

Lori Daybell
“That’s been after me for zero reason, besides the darkness of Kay, which you already know, she’s dark.”

Melanie Gibb
“I haven’t met her enough to know if she’s dark or not. I’ve just met her slightly and she seemed like a normal kind of person, but then I haven’t engaged with her that much. So I don’t know that personally.”

Lori Daybell
“So you don’t know about her changing the things for herself to be the beneficiary of the policy and also none of that’s dark right.”

Melanie Gibb
“Well, I haven’t seen those documents so I have no way of knowing.”

Lori Daybell
“You’ve seen them on my computer.”

Melanie Gibb
“No, I have not. I haven’t even looked on your computer before. You haven’t showed me anything.”

Lori Daybell
“I don’t know why you’re being controversial to me or if you’re recording this conversation for the police or whatever, I don’t know what your intention is on this phone call.”

Melanie Gibb
“Well–”

Lori Daybell
“But I love you with all my heart and I have forever and I will always–”

Melanie Gibb
“Well, I appreciate those words. But if you really love me, you wouldn’t have told the police that I had JJ with me. That’s not, that’s not what a friend does. I mean, that just makes me look weird. And it just, it’s not safe. For me. That doesn’t look good. You have to think of my welfare if you love me.”

Lori Daybell
“I do and I did exactly what I felt the Lord was instructing me to do. And I appreciate you and I love you.”

Melanie Gibb
“Well–”

Lori Daybell
“And I’d never to do anything to harm you. And you can have all of this confirmed to you by the Lord.”

Melanie Gibb
“I have and my, my conscience is clear. I feel very understanding what’s really going on, Lori. And I believe that, I believe that you have been very deceived by Satan. I believe that he has tricked you. And I just, I don’t believe that what you’re doing is correct. I just don’t, I mean, Tammy dies. And then your husband died. And then, and then he’s missing it just doesn’t sound like God’s plan to me. Just sounds, it gives me a gut feeling, like in my gut, it feels weird. It doesn’t feel right. I don’t have peace about I never have felt one-hundred percent peace about always felt like a little weird in my stomach about all these things.”

Lori Daybell
“You know me, Mel. You know me. This does not sound like you. It sounds like you’ve been influenced by somebody dark who wants you to believe dark things and have fear and have fear of the Celestial world.”

Melanie Gibb
“I don’t have fear.”

Lori Daybell
“You obviously do.”

Melanie Gibb
“No, I have a peace of conscience and I can see clearly.”

Lori Daybell
“Well I’m sorry that you feel that way. I love you so much.”

Melanie Gibb
“I know you do. I don’t know what else to say.”

Lori Daybell
“Stand for Christ when he comes again and he’s coming soon and we will all stand there and you will know at that point that he is supporting me and has supported me the whole time and I have not been deceived.”

Chad Daybell
“I just want to testify that I, I know Tammy [Daybell, Chad’s deceased first wife who died in October 2019] loves (unintelligible) and the conspiracy theories. My sister-in-law’s right behind it all and I hope that you’re not being influenced by dark game.”

Melanie Gibb
“I don’t know who she is. I’m sorry. You said your sister-in-law? I don’t even know her.”

Chad Daybell
“I know, but she’s coming up with the same type of theories. And it’s just not true. My own children were there. They testified that Tammy had been getting weaker and sick and I begged her to go to the doctor. There’s, she just, her heart was failing her. She was physically falling apart. And she hates doctors and she just passed away. That’s how it happened. My son Garth was right there with me the whole time. My kids were at the house within 20 minutes of her passing. There were two coroners. They checked her out right there on the bed. All these conspiracy theories just make me sick to my stomach. Just absolutely sick. I know, I’ve been told for years that Tammy would pass away at a young age. I had no idea that Lori would even be a part of my life. I just knew that my life had two segments and that I know Tammy’s on a special mission and she’s with my kids. She’s visited them. Just, there’s so much, Melanie, that you just have to have faith. And this is not some sort of master plan. There’s no way Lori and I could have ever come up with this. It’s just…”

Melanie Gibb
“You can understand my concern, correct?”

Chad Daybell
“I can, from an outside perspective. But, from an–”

Lori Daybell
“From someone who knows as much as you know? No, not really. But we can feel Dave’s [Warwick, Melanie’s boyfriend] influence on you. I can feel that for sure.”

Melanie Gibb
“He’s a very good man. And he has a very strong foundation. That I know.”

Lori Daybell
“I know, but he seems to be the one that’s putting the doubts in your mind.”

Melanie Gibb
“No, no, but, you know what? I have, I have come to understand that my gut feeling, I was not listening to it. And I always felt uncomfortable with many things.”

Chad Daybell
“Okay.”

Lori Daybell
“Well, I’m sorry that I included you in those teachings then for your own sake because I wish that you didn’t have as much knowledge as you have, because you will be accountable for the knowledge that you do have, Mel.”

Melanie Gibb
“So will you.”

Lori Daybell
“I agree. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. I have no fear. I have no fear of that that. But–”

Melanie Gibb
“I was reading the story of Korihor and it’s so very similar to this, you just can’t see it. But he did it because he was trying to reclaim a people and he thought at the very end because of his carnal and natural desires. That’s what influenced him. And he was very, very–”

Lori Daybell
“That’s me? And carnal natural desires?”

Melanie Gibb
“Well honey, you got a lot of natural desires. We all know that.”

Lori Daybell
“That’s what you think is me? Korihor? Are you kidding me right now?”

Melanie Gibb
“I think both of you have had similar, similarities. It’s in the scriptures. It’s in the scriptures. And the scriptures are very powerful.”

Lori Daybell
“Yes, they are. I live by the scriptures, as you know.”

Melanie Gibb
“I know, but we can wrest the Scriptures for our own vainglory.”

Lori Daybell
“I wrested the scriptures?”

Melanie Gibb
“We can. We can do that and I feel that you have to (unintelligible) our belief systems.”

Lori Daybell
“Do I wrest the scriptures? That was you’re accusing me of at this point?”

Melanie Gibb
“I feel that you have.”

Lori Daybell
“How, why do you feel that way? I need an explanation on this.”

Melanie Gibb
“Because if you look like the scripture, just said, okay–”

Lori Daybell
“(Unintelligible) the scriptures every single day? Do you know?”

Melanie Gibb
“Oh, I know you read them. I don’t doubt that. But this scripture right here says that you will be supported by all against the fiery darts of the adversary. You would have been supported. If you had not opened dark portals and dark junk. You would have been safe. If you would have obeyed God, he would have had your back but you have been chased and tortured and–”

Lori Daybell
“(Unintelligible)”

Melanie Gibb
“I’m sorry?”

Lori Daybell
“He has my back, so…”

Melanie Gibb
“Well, if he has your back, you would not not be able to tell me where you are. And we couldn’t find JJ. Like, where is he? I’ve been asking. Where is he? And you know what I mean? That’s, that’s not the Lord’s work.”

Lori Daybell
“I could tell everything where JJ is right now and that would not be good for JJ. So, I’m sorry that you don’t want me to protect my children. But I would never ask you to not protect your children.”

Melanie Gibb
“Of course you wouldn’t.”

Lori Daybell
“So I can tell that you’re just adversarial, Mel. I love you. I’m sorry that you feel this way.”

Melanie Gibb
“I’m not, this is because I actually do care. I’m sharing what I feel for you because I know your salvation’s in trouble for what you’ve done.”

Lori Daybell
“My salvation’s not in trouble at all and I think you should check that with the Lord again.”

Melanie Gibb
“Well I, I, I felt a lot of things from the Lord. And this doesn’t feel right.”

Lori Daybell
“Well, I’m sorry that you feel that way, sweetheart. I’m sorry that you’re friends with all those who are are against me. Joseph Smith’s friends turned against him.”

Melanie Gibb
“I’m not friends with people that are against you.”

Lori Daybell
“Apparently you are.”

Melanie Gibb
“I am not. I don’t know Kay. I don’t know who you’re talking about, your sister-in-law. I don’t even know what her name or who she is. I don’t know any of those people. Why would they contact me anyway? How would I even know about that?”

Lori Daybell
“Well, you’re friends with Dave and he’s apparently against me now.”

Melanie Gibb
“Well, David is a very righteous man. And I’ve always known that grounding about him. And he has a lot of beautiful experiences with the Lord. And these are not the same. You know, when you get the Priesthood. That’s Peter, James and John shows up and then he confirms all those in the circle that are to get it and everybody’s a witness of that. Everybody’s a witness that the pattern is in the scriptures. There’s no witness that you ever receive what you think you’ve received. Nobody has seen that but you. There’s no witness the witness Joseph Smith, Oliver Cowdrey, Martin Harris. The eight witnesses. They all showed up.”

Lori Daybell
“Was there a witness when Jesus and Heavenly Father gave that to Joseph Smith by himself in the Grove, was there a witness?”

Melanie Gibb
“No, but they had it later with other people. That was one experience but others joined in later when he brought other people into it. And they had experiences.”

Lori Daybell
“(Unintelligible) Was that in the scriptures? Yes or no?”

Melanie Gibb
“I’m sorry?”

Lori Daybell
“Is that the scriptures? Yes or no?”

Melanie Gibb
“That, that Joseph was alone when he saw God the Father and Jesus Christ?”

Lori Daybell
“Yes.”

Melanie Gibb
“Yes, he was alone.”

Lori Daybell
“He was alone.”

Melanie Gibb
“But he opened up–”

Lori Daybell
“So that’s not a pattern at all.”

Melanie Gibb
“Honey, what I’m saying is, is that after he saw that and other people joined in, they saw the things with him. He wasn’t alone. There was a witness for them. There was no witness anybody’s never seen what you’ve seen or experienced what you’ve seen. That is your own witness, but nobody’s had that.”

Lori Daybell
“I know God knows it, and I will never deny it. For my soul would be at stake if I did. So you can say it didn’t happen to me, Mel. But if I say it, then I am accountable. You didn’t witness it. But I did.”

Melanie Gibb
“But your behaviors is not, okay–”

Lori Daybell
“(Unintelligible) Jesus Christ.”

Melanie Gibb
“I understand that’s what you, you believe you saw but this is the thing is I see is that your behaviors not one of somebody that’s seen Christ.”

Lori Daybell
“Never (unintelligible)”

Melanie Gibb
“Your behavior, your behavior. What?”

Lori Daybell
“Never had any idea that you would be the person, of all people, to drag me. I cannot believe it.”

Melanie Gibb
“I’m asking questions and I am concerned for you. That is what somebody does when they care.”

Lori Daybell
“You don’t sound like you’re concerned. You sound like you’re accusatory. You do not sound concerned. You sound pissed off.”

Melanie Gibb
“I’m not. I am very, I am troubled. Maybe that’s the better word: troubled. Because these things, like you being with Chad before he’s even divorced, is unusual behavior for a person that’s seen Jesus Christ.”

Lori Daybell
“I was never with him and he was never divorced.”

Melanie Gibb
“Honey, I’ve seen you guys together.”

Lori Daybell
“That’s your story. (Unintelligible)”

Melanie Gibb
“Oh, oh. So I haven’t ever seen you with, I’ve never seen you with Chad, kiss him and walk around the track and BYU with him. I never saw that? You say I’m–”

Lori Daybell
“You’re the one who’s feeling guilty about being with someone before they were divorced.”

Melanie Gibb
“Oh honey. I think that’s not what we’re talking about here.”

Lori Daybell
“It’s not what we’re talking about here. That’s why I’m saying. You aren’t going off the deep end. But–”

Melanie Gibb
“I’m just saying, this is not a behavior of someone that sees Jesus Christ. It’s not the behavior.”

Lori Daybell
“Really?”

Melanie Gibb
“Really.”

Lori Daybell
“Have you ever seen Jesus Christ so do you know what the future behavior would be if you’d seen Jesus Christ?”

Melanie Gibb
“I know that when I, I know that when I pray–”

Lori Daybell
“(Unintelligible) each of you every day and he does protect me and he is protecting me, and he will protect me against this accusation as well. And we will both stand there with him. And you tell me if I was lying or not when we’re both standing there with Jesus Christ.”

(Call disconnects)

Melanie Gibb
“Okay.”